Why I think Kris Allen wins American Idol
I make no excuses, I love American Idol. I have since it first came on the scene 8 years ago. It’s something I really enjoy and can watch with my children and talk about with anyone. I think it comes from the old performer in me. I tend to put myself in the contestants positions and enjoy living vicariously through them. I also tend to be thinking exactly what Simon is thinking, so his analysis is generally my sarcastic bad side with a British accent.
Anyway, this season, as I watched, I caught glimpses of this goth guy during Hollywood week who was unbelievable. We didn’t really see much about him early on. They focused on other contestants, but after hearing him a couple of times I predicted he would win. He was that good.
Once we started moving through the weeks, it was evident that this guy, Adam Lambert, was head and shoulders better than his competition. His vocals were always amazing, he had a killer stage presence, a glam look, and could hit notes that no one else on the show could even dream of. Oh, and pictures surfaced of him kissing guys. So he was either gay or bi-sexual. *GASP*
One of the other favorites early on was Danny Gokey. Danny is a widower (something we were reminded of approximately five billion times) and could wail pretty well. He was also very religious, and was a music director for a church and had recorded some gospel music. He got a huge following, and for quite some time, everyone expected a Danny Gokey / Adam Lambert finale.
During this battle, a nice unassuming guy by the name of Kris Allen quietly put in great performance after great performance. He turned songs like ‘She Works Hard for the Money,’ ‘Ain’t No Sunshine’ and even Kanye West’s ‘Heartless’ into awesome acoustic/adult-alternative tracks. He could play guitar and piano, and on some tracks he did so without any help from the Idol band. Creatively he matched Adam Lambert and blew Danny Gokey out of the water. To me, he very much reminded me of Jason Mraz, one of my current faves. And in kind of an upset, he beat out Danny Gokey for the finals.
So now we had two genuinely nice guys, Adam and Kris, both very creative with arrangements and such with Adam having the better vocal ability, and Kris having the ability to play musical instruments. But Adam, vocally was still phenomenal and Kris could sometimes falter and not be able to push through soaring choruses. Adam also worked a stage like he owned the place, and Kris seemed kind of shell shocked at times to be there.
So to me, the American Idol victory should still go to Adam. He’s the better singer and showman, and has been far more consistent all year long than Kris. But I think Kris will win. And the reason is simple. The Danny Gokey voting juggernaut, many of whom are deeply religious, will never vote for a gay man. So many of this huge voting contingent will go Kris Allen’s way, and I think that will sway the victory for him.
If Adam actually wins, I will have a lot of faith in our country to have voted for the openly gay guy. But right now, I don’t have that faith. Kris, although he’s very good and deserves to be in the finale, wouldn’t have quite the votes to win this, but I fear bigotry will push him over the edge.
I hope America proves me wrong.
Now make no mistake, both will get good recording contracts so it really doesn’t matter that much in the grand scheme of things. And quite frankly I love both Kris and Adam and look forward to buying both of their albums. I just think that based on talent, most everyone agrees that Adam is the best. It would be a shame for him to lose simply because of his sexual orientation.
Nathan T. Freeman
May 20, 2009 @ 9:22 am
Actually, if Adam’s sexuality affects the outcome, it might not be driven by bigotry. How large is the teenage-girl voting block on AI? Large enough to sway the outcome? They might vote for the guy that they can carry a torch for.
That wouldn’t necessarily be bigotry. Just the lack of an internal fantasy.
Last night was the only episode of AI I watched this season. And Adam is a substantially better singer. But one thing we can all agree on…
Kara’s song sucked.
Greyhawk68
May 20, 2009 @ 10:12 am
Yes, we can agree on that totally! I actually think that song suited Kris’ voice better, but it proved that Kris really cannot push a soaring chorus at all… but yeah, not really a fan of the song.
On the teen/tween vote, I actually disagree a bit. The girls go nuts for Adam. You see tons of girls with their signs proclaiming their love for him. I think it’s almost like they are in love with his goth and vampire look without realizing the sexual preference of their object of affection.
I know my daughters LOVE Adam. Now they are only 5 and 7, and we’ve taught them what homosexuality is, but I don’t think they get that Adam is gay.
And I think that a lot of girls still like him. Last year the tween crowd couldn’t push Archuleta over the edge against Cook and the Cougars… Also, they keep showing Kris’ wife, whereas they’ve never shown anyone attached to Adam. So girls might think Adam is available.
Anyway, My wife thinks Kris is really cute and has liked him since the beginning, so who knows.
I’ve just have seen comments by various Gokey fans that make me think the religious folks would vote for anyone over Adam, and not because of his vocals.
I do hope I’m wrong, although DialIdol.com has Kris ahead by a very slim margin…
-Grey
CurtStone
May 20, 2009 @ 12:24 pm
Interesting analysis.
I’m a secret Idol fan too. Although, Baseball has dominated my recent nightly tv. I’m going to disagree with you on your analysis and I say talent wins out and Adam wins. I knew a black man could win the Presidency and a gay man can win a singing competition in our country. Remember Clay Aiken?
Enjoy and may the best man win.
Greyhawk68
May 20, 2009 @ 1:22 pm
I do remember Clay, and he lost and wasn’t out or as flamboyant. No guyliner and nailpolish
Also, the next runner up wasn’t big in the Evangelical scene. Those votes go somewhere, and my guess is not as many will go to Adam.
That’s where I think the bias will be coming from.
I do hope I’m wrong!
-Grey
Mark Hughes
May 20, 2009 @ 3:33 pm
If Adam wins what radio station do you actually know that will play his style of music? I know many that would play Kris’s music.
I predict and agree Adam will win, but i think Kris will sell many more albums, which is really the vote that counts the most.
Clay oustsold winner Ruben, Kathrine McFee outsold winner Taylor, i think this season will be the same.
I wonder if you can see total itunes sales for the performances from last night?
Mark Hughes
May 20, 2009 @ 3:53 pm
Are Christians really bigots for not approving of a gay lifestyle?
It’s like someone calling you a bigot because you do not like people who kill, or rape or molest children. You do not approve of their lifestyle. Are you then a bigot?
People have moral guidelines, those who do not approve of anothers moral standards i guess get to call them bigots or some other name.
I think America is still deciding where it stands on these issues, prop 8 in California for example passed in one of the most liberal states in the Country.
I have no problem with gay people, but i do not approve of their lifestyle. I treat them like everyone else, and i dont go get in their face and tell them they are going to hell either. You can think something is wrong and still have tolerance … and even love them. You don’t however have to agree with them….
You may be right some Christians are bigots, but are not people who disapprove of Christian lifestyles and viewpoints bigots as well?
Greyhawk68
May 20, 2009 @ 4:44 pm
Okay, you just equated being gay with killing, raping and molesting children. You considered those “lifestyle choices.” For fucks sake if you aren’t a bigot I don’t know of a worse word to call you.
What two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is their own business. But their ability to marry and have lifelong partners should be welcomed to strengthen marriage not reviled and certainly not blocked. It’s a civil rights issue, and don’t try to gloss over the fact that you are a bigot by stating “you have no problem”
You obviously do if you compare two people of the same sex loving each other to fucking murder.
Thanks for making my point for me in the most obvious way possible.
That said, Adam could sing any number of things and outsell Kris. I actually think they’ll both do well, but this isn’t the “who will sell more records” contest. It’s a contest about who is the better singer, with the better stage presence and most originality.
If Adam loses, I completely think it’s because people who equate his lifestyle to child molestation won’t vote for him.
So Mark, quite frankly, Fuck You.
-Grey
Greyhawk68
May 20, 2009 @ 4:58 pm
And Mark, Here’s a difference.
I don’t believe in God. I’m an atheist. I think you are wrong in your philosophy but that wouldn’t keep me from doing business with you, or hanging out with you or voting for you in a singing competition.
I have lots of friends who are very religious. I don’t push my beliefs on them and they don’t push theirs on me. We get along fine. It makes no difference to me WHAT they believe. It also makes no difference to me what color their skin is, or what their sexual persuasion is.
Being gay isn’t a “lifestyle choice” it’s something MOST gay people are born with (some dabble after the fact, that is true) But all of my close gay friends and family members were born that way, and always knew they were that way. I’ve asked them. They didn’t choose to like the same sex, it’s just the way they were wired.
Also, murder, rape and molestation are not lifestyle choices, they are CRIMES perpetrated on the unwilling. To compare them to being gay shows an outright bigotry that simply appalls me.
If you can’t tell the difference, I feel sorry for you…
-Grey
Mark Hughes
May 20, 2009 @ 5:31 pm
OK, those were bad examples and do not equate to the same thing. You are right those are crimes against unwilling people and are totally different than being gay. Weather anyone cares or not they are all listed as sins, right next to each other in passages in the Bible.
Some people believe in being born gay, straight, prone to addiction, prone to whatever. You being an atheist, i am sure you probably believe this as well.
Some other people believe it is a choice to be gay.
I dont know where i stand on this,
What makes a serial killer the way they are? It is the way they were programmed by nature or was it life experiences after they were born, a combo of each? Do they have a choice? Do they have free will?
What makes people alcholics? nature, nuture, both? Some can stop, some cant.
Here are some victimless crimes, prostitution, bigomy, adultry(not physical anyway)
these are all choices, so you would not equate them since you believe people are born that way. Who knows maybe your right, i don’t think i could be turned on by a man, so how could i expect a gay man to be turned on by a woman.
You will not agree with me, but i believe they can resist their natural impulses, i am not saying they will not be attracted to the same sex, but they can resist the lifestyle. Now they would have no reason to do so unless they believed it was wrong to act on their “temptations”. So to an atheist why would anyone think it was wrong?
I however believe we were created, we answer to a higher power. That higher power gives us guidelines on how we should live our lives. I do not live up to those guidelines and often i sin, even when i know it is wrong.
So you will ask, why is one sin worse than any other? the answer is its not.
My sins are just as bad as their sins, as anyone’s sins.
But i will not approve of sin, that may make me a bigot, but i am still getting used to be attacked for what i believe.
sorry if i pissed you off, didn’t mean to get you sidetracked.
Rob McDonagh
May 20, 2009 @ 6:34 pm
@Mark – you’re the King of Bad Examples today. Neither prostitution nor bigamy nor adultery is victimless. They appear to have victims you don’t recognize, but they do have victims (the prostitute, the subservient second/third/ninth wife, and the spouse whose trust was violated).
Nature v nurture is a complicated debate. But homosexuality is the easiest of all possible examples. In our society, where gays are granted fewer rights than any other group and where our first (openly) gay President is surely decades away, what could possibly possess anyone to suggest that people CHOOSE to be gay? Or are all homosexuals masochists? They must be, if it’s a choice, because bigots make their lives hell on earth.
News flash: It’s not a choice. Scientists are even beginning to isolate individual genes that drive it. That argument will be settled scientifically with the next 10 years (unfortunately, the people who most need to be convinced tend to denigrate science beyond, well, belief – see evolution & global climate change for the classic examples, but there are others).
Oh, and the tendency to addiction is absolutely genetic. That was proven decades ago. One’s *response* to that tendency is NOT genetic, though. That’s where free will comes into play.
If you believe homosexuality to be a sin, then you must believe that it harms the sinner. But it does not harm anyone else. It is a very unusual sin, in that respect. I am unable to think of a significant sin that harms only the sinner, though it’s been a few years since I read the Bible cover-to-cover. Maybe worshipping false idols qualifies. I doubt the deity is terrible harmed by that, so only the sinner would be harmed in that case as well.
Oh, and American Idol? Yeah, don’t care. Talk about your false idols. LOL
Greyhawk68
May 20, 2009 @ 8:16 pm
Here’s my thing Mark, I don’t think you have to APPROVE of the lifestyle at all. That is your choice and your belief. But if you were to say, “I’m not voting for Adam BECAUSE he is gay” then you are definitely a bigot in that regard.
Being gay has absolutely nothing to do with this competition, at all. But, there will be many hardcore evangelicals from Danny’s camp that will simply not vote for a gay man. Just won’t do it because he’s gay. Not because Kris is better in any way, but solely based on the fact that Adam would kiss a man.
I actually liked Danny Gokey, and I think that he left the competition precisely where he should have. All along I thought he should have stayed until it was down to him, Kris and Adam. I know Danny is very close to his God, but that didn’t influence my thoughts on his singing at all. If it would have I would have wanted him out at the beginning…
That’s the point I’m trying to make here. Base decisions on a person based on their merits, not due to the color of their skin, their religion, or their sexual orientation.
Not long ago I never thought we would have a black president. America stood up and proved me wrong, and I couldn’t be happier. I just wish it would get better for homosexuals as well. Everyone deserves to be able to live their life without having to deal with bigotry.
As for the bible, people do tend to pick and choose which passages they wish to follow. We aren’t still stoning women for failure to be subservient to their husbands. So really, is the one little passage in Leviticus that important?
That’s up for your interpretation, but if you truly believe that all the sins are equal, then Adam is no worse than you as a sinner in God’s eyes. It’s not for you to judge Adam, it’s for God to judge… Mere mortals seem to think they are allowed as well though…
-Grey
Nathan T. Freeman
May 20, 2009 @ 10:16 pm
“Neither prostitution nor bigamy nor adultery is victimless.”
Only if you assume prostitutes and wives are ignorant, incapable, less-than-human people as you so frequently do, Rob.
A person who is defrauded is a victim. However, I find it hard to believe that many prostitutes are defrauded about the nature of their profession. (Defrauding about payment is a different matter — I believe the matra is “get the money upfront”) I’m sure there are spouses who are defrauded about their monogamy, but neither you nor I have real metrics on the number of consciously participating bigamists spouses. I do know of several examples of lesbian couples who elected to be bound by a common male husband, though. Do you?
Adultery is a tragedy, I agree. But because it’s a LIE, not because it goes against a social norm.
Just because someone accepts a role as a sexual partner that is either compensated or nonexclusive doesn’t make them a victim or stupid. In some cases, it might make them very shrewd.
And it’s incredibly arrogant of you to suggest that none of them understand what they’re doing.
Nathan T. Freeman
May 20, 2009 @ 10:30 pm
“It’s a contest about who is the better singer, with the better stage presence and most originality.”
No it isn’t. It’s a contest about who gets the most votes.
That’s like describing the presidential election as a contest about “who is the better leader, with the better policies and most intelligence.”
You’d get laughed out of the room.
AI is about votes. What drive those votes is subject to massive speculation. But it’s not ABOUT anything but an electorate.
And honestly, isn’t is cool that we now get this testing ground for the democratic process that’s outside picking the leader of the free world? I think that’s AWESOME. There were more votes for Adam vs. Kris than Reagan vs. Mondale. What does that tell you?
Not voting for Adam because he’s gay is just as good a reason as not voting for Adam because he’s not as pretty. Is there merit involved in either? NO. Is there prejudice involved? Maybe. Maybe I’m a heterogirl and I don’t vote for Adam because I know if I take off my shirt at his concert, I won’t get backstage. On the other hand, maybe I’m a homo guy, and I don’t vote for Kris for exactly the same reason.
The truth is: you have no understanding of WHY people vote. You can only make assumptions and then assign them to the outcome after the fact. That is intellectually dishonest. A prediction has to offer alternatives that can be distinguished by cause — and Adam vs. Kris is not one of those.
Any talented musician can see that Adam is a better singer and that he was holding back on the Queen performance. But that doesn’t make him the wrong American Idol, if we consider that voters may have any unknown series of criteria.
If you think that the religious right vote against Adam MADE him lose, and that’s somehow wrong, then the remedy is that the principle of one-person/one-vote sucks.
I’m behind that idea 100%. Are you?
Greyhawk68
May 20, 2009 @ 10:37 pm
Jesus, now this is a prostitution rights issue?
Um, for the record, I think prostitution should be legalized and that people should be allowed to sell that service if they so choose. So we probably agree on that Nathan. But, for the illegal prostitutes, I probably agree with Rob. Many inner city hookers are drug addled, abused and owned by their pimps. So yes, in that sense they definitely ARE victims.
Legal prostitutes in Nevada for example are NOT victims. I don’t think Rob would think so, but I won’t speak for him.
But back to the issue at hand, Kris Allen won American Idol, and even though I think he’s really great, even he said “Adam deserved this” This was the Gokey vote. Unfortunate, but I think it’s the case…
-Grey
Greyhawk68
May 20, 2009 @ 11:04 pm
Nathan,
I’m not saying this isn’t a popularity contest.
That does factor in absolutely, but you cannot tell me that statistically the Gokey people wouldn’t vote for Kris simply due to religious purposes. And it wouldn’t make me so annoyed (or sad at the state of our country) if I didn’t think that many people thought the same as Mark above.
Mark backtracked later but initially didn’t think twice about equating the gay lifestyle with murder, rape and child molestation. I believe that is a common thought among the fundies, and probably way more common of a thought amongst Gokey supporters. Gokey supporters that then I’m positive voted for Kris.
Adam beat Kris last week by over a million votes. So the Gokey crowd had to carry quite a bit of weight this week. Normally they say “it was so close” Not tonight. My guess is Kris won by a lot.
It’s a competition where anyone can vote, and vote multiple times. I’m not saying it isn’t fair, but I’m fine making the assumption that the religious right swayed the outcome. I’ve seen enough “Adam is a fag” postings around the web to make that a real feeling for me. And I don’t think those were coming from the Kris supporters at all.
You can call it intellectually dishonest all you want, but it just seems pretty common sense to me.
Also, I don’t think that 100 Million votes cast for an online singing competition is awesome at all when compared to the poor voting turnout for things that matter in this country. The voting rates suck. The only thing that I can hope for out of this is that the younger generation that do vote for American Idol carry that same enthusiasm with them as they grow older. I’m skeptical, but it might happen.
Now you say that not voting for Adam because he is gay is as good of a reason as because he’s not as pretty, or the girl won’t feel reciprocated, or the homo guy wouldn’t vote for Kris. In those three scenarios they aren’t feeling in their heart that this person is evil for their lifestyle choice.
It’s a major differentiator. There are all sorts of superficial reasons to vote or not vote. But voting because you believe a group of individuals are akin to murderers and rapists (dont forget beastiality, the right trots that out a lot) just because of their sexual preference is wrong. And I have the right to think it’s wrong.
As for one person one vote sucking, well it doesn’t really apply here since people can cast multiple votes. So it’s moot. I don’t really know a better way to do it, but that can be a big discussion for another day. I need sleep.
-Grey
Curt Stone
May 21, 2009 @ 5:53 am
Wow, this thread got crazy (don’t have time this morning to read it all)
I must say that I really enjoyed the show even though I had to click between the Yankees and Red Sox games.
KISS, Queen, Rod Stewart Carlos Santana and Cyndi Lauper were some of my favorites. May buy some Jason Mraz(thanks for the tip)
Glad to see music displayed so grandly for 2 hours and some unknowns get a chance to make it. No doubt, sexuality played a role. Interesting debate. Maybe the girls just thought Kris was hotter and texted their ass off.
Peace and Love (like Ringo says it)
Mark hughes
May 21, 2009 @ 7:52 am
I think you misunderstood what i was trying to say in number 6.
Of course i think those acts are worse than being gay, i could list you sins and rank them on severity, they are all wrong, but some have greater consequences than others. I do not have tolerance for murderers and rapist or child molesters, but i do for those who are gay. I was not saying that they were in the same league of immorality!!! Morality seems to have a sliding scale.
What i was saying is their are people who consider those to be lifestyle choices, they see nothing wrong with genocide(too many examples sadly), they see nothing wrong with child sex slavery(the far east, even here in the US their is a group using free speech to talk about how to molest children and past experiences), they treat women as objects( no rights, Taliban anyone).
I was trying to say those people listed above think you are a bigot for not agreeing with their viewpoints. I sure hope they view me that way.
Once again i was not saying gay people are as bad as murderers or even in the same realm, i was simply trying to find extreme examples of things i know you think are wrong, and then find others who do not think they are wrong. Trust me i am not supposed to hate, but i hate child molesters worse than murderers. Gay people are fine, i love them, but do not think they are living in accordance to Gods will.
Yes Adam was a better singer, he deserved to win, miss California was prettier she deserved to win.
My uncle is gay, i love him, i do not understand him, but i do love him. He knows that i do not approve of how he lives his life. This probably causes him pain, but it also causes me pain. When you believe there is a hell, and someone you love does not believe in God, you are in agony because you fear what will happen to them after death.
If you think i meant that gay people are as bad as murderers, you are wrong.
Just please excuse all my comments, i have that God gene they discovered, it makes me this way.
Rob McDonagh
May 21, 2009 @ 12:29 pm
@Nate – since when does understanding what you’re doing mean you’re not a victim? What bizarro world do you live in? The rest of us are over here, in the real world. Need a tourist visa for a visit?
John’s right – make it legal, then the prostitutes won’t be victims. Now? Almost all of them are. Some (“escort” types, mostly) aren’t. The ones on the street corner who work for their pimps, though? Yeah, they’re victims.
Besides, if the prostitutes aren’t victims, what about the partners/spouses of the client? How many “johns” (sorry, Grey!) are single as opposed to being in a relationship? How many of their partners know they’re visiting a prostitute? How would prostitution be victimless, again?
Bigamy has no victims? Go visit the bigamists in Utah, where their patriarchal society allows old men to have a dozen child wives, none of whom are given any choice in the matter.
Is it possible to have a relationship involving more than two people without having victims? Sure. Is it likely? Fuck no. Less than 1/2 of 1/2 of 1% of all such relationships would meet that standard. You know some? Good for them.
Oh, and as for:
“Only if you assume prostitutes and wives are ignorant, incapable, less-than-human people as you so frequently do, Rob.”
But I’m the arrogant one. Riiiiiiiight. Your understanding of the way I think is obviously enormously limited.
Fuck you. Seriously. And the horse you rode in on.