Microsoft's iPod Killer?
In the last week there has been talk of Microsoft making their own MP3 Player to combat the iPod. I’m actually really looking forward to what they come up with. Mainly because I’m getting sick of iTunes and the iPod. Let me explain.
I Love the iTunes program itself. It’s very easy and slick to use. I’ve even bought several hundred dollars worth of music from the store. But that was when Hymn allowed me to crack the encryption. I would remove the encryption and make it so I could listen to the songs anywhere I wanted… Across a network, on the XBox 360 etc. It was basically like burning the songs to CD and then re-ripping them back to MP3, only with less audio degradation.
I did this because I believe that if I buy music it’s MINE, and I have the right to play it anywhere I want. I’m not sharing it on P2P networks, I’m not giving it away to anyone, I’m simply listening to it. I want to be able to listen on my computers, in my car, on my digital audio player (and ANY digital audio player for that matter) etc.
Now when it comes to subscription services like Yahoo Music Unlimited, I expect restrictions. In those services I am simply paying a monthly subscription fee to a service. I’m okay with them restricting what I do with the music, because frankly, I don’t own it. There are tons of services out there, but none of them work on an iPod. Also, Apple doesn’t have it’s OWN subscription service.
So, if you own an iPod, you can listen to your own ripped music, or you can buy stuff from the Apple iTunes store. That. Is. It. You can’t listen to music bought from any other store, nor can you listen to subscription tracks from any other store. You are basically locked in. And oh, by the way, all the protected songs you buy at the iTunes store can only be listened to on one of several computers or iPods you authorize to do so.
So, if you have a home network, and have an XBox 360, or a TiVo, or a Roku, or any of the other cool home-audio distribution tools, you cannot listen to the music you BOUGHT at the iTunes store.
Contrast that to the whole PlaysForSure mentality of Microsoft. They are licensing their tech to everyone. You have multiple services to choose from, tons of vendors to choose from for hardware and subscription services, the ability to work with tons of home-audio tech. Yet still, the iPod reigns supreme. I guess I don’t get it.
The iPod is a great design, I’ll give Apple that. All of the other vendors have yet to come up with something compelling as a competitor. Even though the Creative Zen Vision simply blows away the iPod with Video (bigger screen, better resolution, subscription music compatible, FM radio receiver, voice recorder) Anyway, hopefully, Microsoft entering the market will really push the issue.
Now the next rumor, if true, is the best weapon Microsoft has in its arsenal. It’s from the Engadget article referenced above:
But it gets better. To attract current iPod users Microsoft is going to let you download for free any songs you’ve already bought from the iTunes Music Store. They’ll actually scan iTunes for purchased tracks and then automatically add those to your account. Microsoft will still have to pay the rights-holders for the songs, but they believe it’ll be worth it to acquire converts to their new player.
So, if you felt locked into Apple simply because you spent $500 on music that you can’t play anywhere else, Microsoft is going to let you download that in their system, and at that point, it opens that music up to hundreds of devices. This will cost MS a lot of money, but it destroys the main barrier most people will have. It’s brilliant, and I hope it’s true.
If it is (and maybe even if it isn’t) I’ll be the first in line to pick up a new MS digital audio player. How about you?
Rob McDonagh
July 10, 2006 @ 2:02 pm
Naw, I’ll keep my iPods, thanks very much. Nobody forces me to buy music from iTunes online. I can get it elsewhere (AllOfMP3.com), then import it into iTunes. The Crippleware DRM Apple insists on doesn’t invalidate the iPod as the best MP3 player on the market. It just means you should remember that it’s an MP3 player and make sure you get your music as MP3s.
Which isn’t to say that I don’t like M$’s rumored plan to let you transfer the iTunes music into free WMA tunes. I think that’s a great idea. But under no circumstances will I ever trust Microsoft, of all companies, to updhold my best interest as a consumer. M$ doesn’t exactly have an unblemished record on this front, and the fact that they look better on the DRM issue at the moment doesn’t mean they won’t change the rules later on. WGA, anyone?
Greyhawk68
July 10, 2006 @ 2:53 pm
Well, seeing as AllofMP3.com is technically illegal here, then that argument doesn’t hold a lot of water with me. About the only one that is truly a service you could download stuff from is eMusic.com as they do unprotected files.
So it’s not like you have a plethora of choices in online stores, in fact you pretty much have “one” if you want to legally buy. Whereas in the MS model you have multiple stores to choose from.
If Apple would license Fairplay to other vendors, then this wouldn’t be a problem. Many companies could build devices to play fairplay protected content. As it sits, they license it to no one. So no one in the universe can make a legal device to listen to protected files other than apple. That limits my choice and makes me mad as an end user.
Now as a strictly MP3 device, the ipod has had good long reign as the champion, and well deserved. I own a 60GB iPod Photo myself. But recently several companies have made as good if not better players, especially if you are comparing video.
I can get similar sized units with better resolution, more features, etc. Just look at the Zen Vision products…or the SanDisk Sansa… man that’s another sexy unit.
Anyway, I’m just pleased that MS allows other companies to license their DRM because it gives me far more choice as consumer. I DON’T have to buy everything from MS. In fact, I could use all that PlaysForSure technology and never really use an MS product at all.
That is better FOR ME as a consumer. If you liked to be locked in, so be it… I may have a 60GB iPod to sell you soon
Take Care,
Grey
Volker Weber
July 10, 2006 @ 3:21 pm
Going from crippled AAC to WMA does not solve anything. Microsoft has enough money from Windows and Office to buy your transport from one jail to the other.
Greyhawk68
July 10, 2006 @ 3:29 pm
Volker, I much more follow your line of reasoning that all DRM is bad for the consumer. Trust me. However, if you HAVE to have DRM, then the Microsoft model is more end-user friendly.
The ONE thing I really like in the DRM space is subscription services. I use the Yahoo Music Unlimited product and it does really well. I got in for my initial year for $60. For that price I could subscribe to any of their tracks, and they played on my Creative handheld, my computers, XBox 360 etc. If I wanted to buy products from Roku and their ilk, I could do that as well.
I still buy some music, but I also sample a lot more. I’m willing to pay $10 a month (the now going price) to have what I used to have (more the most part) with old peer to peer services.
So I’m not saying you should go the MS route and buy a lot of music. But if you WANT to buy music, MS is (strangely) much more consumer friendly than Apple.
jonvon
July 11, 2006 @ 10:02 am
for me the design of the iPod rules. i haven’t seen anything else that is nearly as compelling. it’s so nice and clean.
it’s interesting that M$ is using the same basic strategy they used with Windows. open up the software licensing to everyone, let the market figure out how to build the machines that carry the software. they will sell a lot of software that way, just like they did with Windows. it could be their next juggernaut cash cow, if it is done right.
but if you look at what they did with the power of their success with the OS, crippling competitors and generally not playing well with others, well i think we can see where this is ultimately heading, if they do it right.
these strategies are so classic m$ by now… i don’t like it. it looks nice at the outset, but it smells like the same thing we’ve seen before. i’d rather not buy into it, simply on principle. Apple may be following a path that is more restrictive in some ways, but they have fostered enormous competition in this area. the DRM issues are minor (imo) compared to the overall effect they’ve had in the marketplace.
Rob McDonagh
July 11, 2006 @ 11:15 am
What he said. Seriously, Grey, do you believe M$ won’t change the rules on you later? What would ever make you trust them? With Apple, you know what the issue is – the Crippleware DRM; with M$, you only know they’re likely to do anything they can think of – and it will never be based on what’s best for you, it will be based on their bottom line. I’m not saying Apple is perfect on this issue, but they have an infinitely better history than Microsoft.
You think I’m the one who’s locked in, but I can put anything I want on my iPod. How I get the MP3s is entirely up to me. I could even sign up for M$’s music service, but I’m not going to trust them. When you sign onto a M$ plan that SEEMS to give you freedom of choice, you have to KNOW they will eventually restrict those choices. Why set yourself up for that disappointment?
By the way, I’m with jonvon on another point as well – the iPod is hands down the best MP3 player on the market. There may be products with more features, but there are none that let me play my music better than the iPod does. I’ve looked at others because they’re almost always cheaper, but they’re all awkward or just plain ugly.
Greyhawk68
July 11, 2006 @ 1:18 pm
Man Rob, are you in your black turtleneck and jeans kissing your pictures of Steve Jobs?
You KNOW I’m not a huge microsoft fan. I AM an apple fan, but in this instance Microsoft is BY FAR more consumer friendly. I do not believe that MS will “change the rules later” Basically they are licensing PlaysForSure technology to outside vendors. They make money on all of it. If they ever stop…they’ll simply BE Apple at that point.
The reason Apple doesn’t license fairplay to anyone is because they want you locked into their players and their players alone. Just like they won’t license OSX to anyone either. They want the hardware margins along with the software.
Stop coming back to the point that you can put anything you want on your iPod. Cause, you CANNOT. You can’t put on a Napster track, or an URGE track, or a Yahoo Music Store track or a MusicMatch track. NONE of them will work on your player for LEGAL digital files.
Also, you keep saying sign up for an MS plan. Well I could do everything without ever using MS. As far as I know, MS doesn’t own Napster or Yahoo.
I could buy a track at Napster, another one at Yahoo, use Musicmatch to listen to it all, and sync it to my Creative Zen Vision and stream it to my Roku. MS gets money from each of those vendors, but I didn’t use them.
It’s all about choice like we so strongly defend when we are in the Domino vs. Exchange server platform argument. In this whole DRM scheme of things, MS is offering a choice, Apple is not.
As for ipod alternatives, here are two:
http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Catalog(1166)-SanDisk_Sansa_e200_Series_MP3_Players.aspx
http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=14331
Both of them are better products that the Apple counterparts at this point in my opinion. We don’t have to agree on that, because asthetics and ease of use are personal preference. But to me, features do make a big difference.
I just wish there was one open DRM standard that everyone could sell and support. Having multiple ones does nobody any good.
And John, you talked about MS using their OS power to cripple competitors… It’s not like MS is putting HP, Dell, Lenovo, Gateway and Sony out of business.
Who knows, maybe I wouldn’t be bitching as much if Apple already had products that did good whole house distribution and it fit my needs on purchased music, but they don’t. And there are tons on the MS side of things…
Guess I just like choice, no matter how stylish the locked in thing looks.
Rob McDonagh
July 11, 2006 @ 2:15 pm
I do not believe that MS will “change the rules later”
Then you’re a trusting soul. I’m not. I’m a cynic. I am more cynical about M$ than most companies, but I don’t think I’m alone in that, right? Does the WGA issue not make you stop and think? I bought Windows legally, but now M$ wants to make my computer “phone home” every day to verify that my copy is legal?!? Fuck them. I’ve blocked that BS with a firewall rule. What happens when M$ decides that, in order to fight music piracy, they need to verify that you really bought your WMA files legally? Repeatedly? That doesn’t strike you as consistent with the company’s prior behavior?
Stop coming back to the point that you can put anything you want on your iPod. Cause, you CANNOT. You can’t put on a Napster track, or an URGE track, or a Yahoo Music Store track or a MusicMatch track. NONE of them will work on your player for LEGAL digital files.
Well, why would I want to take a Napster track or an URGE track or a MusicMatch track and play it on my MP3 player? I want to play MP3s. I want to play them on ALL of my best-of-breed devices. That includes my MacBook Pro, my Thinkpad, my iPods, my Treo, my TiVos, and my home stereo. If a given music service doesn’t support my choices, why would I agree that it is more choice-friendly? I absolutely CAN put anything I WANT on my iPod; I just don’t WANT any of those things you named. I WANT MP3s that aren’t crippled in any way whatsoever.
In any event, most of those sites don’t let me buy the music anyway – they just let me rent it. If I can’t own the MP3, I have no interest in that service. Music Rental companies are inserting their own Crippleware DRM into the music, just like Apple. You just find their version of Crippleware more attractive. It’s still Crippled if I can’t take it and do whatever I want with it. You said it perfectly in the orginal post – playing your music wherever you want shouldn’t be against the rules. And while iTunes doesn’t meet that criteria, the iPod definitely does.
Now, if you want to crusade against iTunes by itself, without takin on the iPod as a player, I’m on board.
Ray "The Lion King" Bilyk
July 11, 2006 @ 2:56 pm
Rob, you’re a cynic? Nah…
Greyhawk68
July 11, 2006 @ 3:01 pm
Arrrrgggghhhh…
This wasn’t a discussion of how unrestricted music is better. It is, by a longshot. I would much rather have unrestricted music that I can play on all of my devices. We can agree on THAT. I hate DRM, I always have. That’s why I ripped nearly 3000 CD’s into my collection in MP3 format. That’s also why I stopped buying music from iTunes when Hymn stopped being able to rip the copy protection.
My point was that if you want to buy LEGAL music in digital form you have much more choice and leeway with the MS solution. Simply because they’ll license it to everyone. That means I’m not locked into any vendor for hardware or online music stores.
Apple will NOT license fairplay to anyone. So that locks you in to their proprietary solution.
I wasn’t taking on the ipod as a player or itunes as a piece of software. I was stating that if you have to have legally downloaded (or subscribed to) digital files, Apple’s solution is completely restrictive compared to Microsoft’s.
And I applaud MS for coming out with a player and trying to combat the ipod, because I truly don’t see the iPod as a dramatically better solution at this point. I see it as a fashion statement.
A fashion statement that “M$” bashing folks hold on a pedastal.
As for:
Does the WGA issue not make you stop and think?
Does the Dashboard phone home not make you stop and think?
And the WGA thing isn’t any sort of apples to apples *snicker* comparison here. It’s an OS piracy protection mechanism. PlaysForSure is a DRM technology licensed to others. They don’t really compare.
And besides…all of this stuff, whether it be iTunes Music Store tracks, Napster tracks, or MS tracks all have to phone home at some point. They already do it. Even Apple, because it has to make sure you haven’t gone over your “machine” limit.
So it’s already happening on both sides. That’s not going to change my mind.
I would really love for a world where I could digitally download songs and albums whenever I wanted and they would play on everything I owned. I’d have no problem paying for that even…but I doubt it will ever happen.
So in that case, I’d have to stick with the least evil option. And dear god if that isn’t Microsoft at this point.
Rob McDonagh
July 11, 2006 @ 3:32 pm
Dashboard and WGA aren’t apples to apples, either. WGA is checking to see if your copy of the OS is licensed. Dashboard is checking to see if your widgets are legitimate, to help combat crackers and phishers. WGA is evil, plain and simple. Dashboard’s phone home is debatable – I’m not a fan, but even I might let it out through my firewall occasionally to verify a widget or two.
I think the heart of the disagreement here lies in two points. First, you aren’t as paranoid as I am about MicroSquish’s future plans for this technology – fair enough, and only time will tell. Second, I don’t consider the M$ solution to be any less proprietary than the Apple one (it is not single-vendor, though, which fairplay is) – anywho, I’m not defending Apple’s DRM, I’m just defending my iPods and the un-DRM’d MP3s I put on them.
The nitpicker in me is tempted to debate the question of what the question really is (taking on the iPod or not) just for fun. But then, I recognize that not everyone is sufficiently twisted to enjoy the things I enjoy…
Oh, and you seem a bit peeved with my pet names for The Redmondians. Heh. I can’t help it – mocking the Softies is almost like breathing at this point. 😛 But I’m not a perpetual M$-basher; check back to the live-blog I did during John Head’s session at the Sphere – I said positively nice things about the Evil Empire, really I did. *snicker*
Greyhawk68
July 11, 2006 @ 3:50 pm
Hehe…
I always love to get into a spirited debate with you, even though we are usually on the same side
I guess I just want to see a unified DRM standard that isn’restrictive for people, and the easiest target of my rage is Apple. Simply because they have gotten so completely popular, and because of that it makes it that much harder to get some sort of universal standard. There’s no incentive for Apple to EVER agree to a unified standard, and since they own most of the market, I see them as the biggest barrier.
That’s why the MS thing excites me. If they can pry some market share away, then that may help. Also, if really HAVE to go with DRM music, then MS is less restrictive.
Now if Apple would just license fairplay to third party developers, I would stop bitching somewhat. At least then I could play itunes bought music on more stuff.
I just wish there wasn’t any DRM and they would just sell MP3 (or OGG or FLAC) tracks so I could use them everywhere. It’s just not going to happen unfortunately.
The true heart of the matter is, this drives some people to piracy. Plain and simple.
I WANT to pay and support artists… but if I do, I want to use the music any way I see fit. So the only way to continue to do that is buy CD’s. But I can’t suck that physical medium over my cable modem
That blows.
Kristina Klein
July 11, 2006 @ 9:04 pm
There’s no incentive for Apple to EVER agree to a unified standard, since they own most of the market you say?
Funny, but you’d think Apple would have learned 10 odd years ago when the company nearly went under. Back then Mac was way ahead of the curve, but by refusing to license their technology or be more open standards based, Apple nearly put themselves out of the market (anybody remember Apple printers, apple modems, etc.?). Ironically, it was MS that pulled them back from the precipice with a heavy cash infusion.
So one would hope Apple isn’t going to repeat history with similar overly restrictive and cloistered behavior. I grew up in Cupertino, and have been an Apple fan and user since the beginning, but I agree with you, Grey. Rather than be forced into buying music in limited formats that I can’t repurpose for MY own use, I bought a Zen – which, by the way, is really cool – when it’s not locking up and requiring reformatting.
jonvon
July 14, 2006 @ 2:52 pm
…John, you talked about MS using their OS power to cripple competitors… It’s not like MS is putting HP, Dell, Lenovo, Gateway and Sony out of business.
i’d agree with you there, actually. they haven’t played fair with hardware manufacturers overall, but their target was always other software companies. for instance, forcing OEMs to install IE or whatever. clearly the target there would be Netscape, Opera, etc., not the hardware guys per se.
so yeah, the hardware guys are making money, and the M$ OS is good (we’re all using it aren’t we?), but they restrict competition in the marketplace using any and all means, everywhere they can get away with it. and this is bad for customers, because it is very hard to enter the marketplace with a product that competes with M$, not just because they have good code, but because they stifle competition.
Netscape was on top in a big way at one time. there is no way M$ isn’t gunning for iTunes. they’ll go after them in any way they can. luckily for Apple, both iTunes and the iPod are just so darn good, i can’t see anyone grabbing market share from them, esp if the bet is on services like Napster. i could be wrong though. i mean, where the heck did YouTube come from? or MySpace? when i go look at MySpace (any MySpace “site” i’ve ever seen) they are all butt ugly. usuable? none of them strike me as terribly usable. but they’ve got more traffic than google now, from what i understand.
crazy world.
i’d like to say though John that as always i admire your adventurous spirit. you are always trying out new things. me, i stick with black shirts, german cars and sleek apple hardware, as much as i can. makes me happy, what can i say?