Women, Misogyny, Tech et. al
If you haven’t seen the recent thread going around, please read Francie’s post, Kathy’s additional points, and my man Rob’s excellent throw down. Go ahead I’ll wait. Alrighty, now that you have some perspective, here are my thoughts on this (which have been brewing for quite awhile.)
I personally like to hang out with intelligent, quick-witted, strong-willed, fun-loving people. Notice I didn’t specify a gender. To me, if I can have intelligent conversations, punctuated by funny dialog with someone who has definite opinions, then I’m thrilled. I do this with men AND women. But responses to this are different whether I am hanging out with women or men.
For example, I have a friend who I hung out with on a regular basis at Lotusphere for several years. She happened to fit all of my fun criteria above, but she was a pretty woman. I can’t tell you how many times I had people comment about us hanging out together. I even had some people insinuate that we were sleeping together since we were together so much. No one has ever done that when I hang out with Paul Mooney or Rob McDonagh. I mean, couldn’t it be that I was hanging out with her because I enjoyed her company, not that she had tits or I was fucking her?
Now I do want to make a distinction; there are catty bitch women as well as sexist pig men. Tech women have a tendency to crucify popular and good looking women in this field with as much frequency as the men do. That isn’t acceptable either. You all need to get over yourselves. You set everything back just as much if not worse than the men do. Also, pretty tech women ARE NOT sleeping with your husbands, for fuck’s sake…
For the record, my wife has never come to this conclusion, and she has seen pictures of me with many pretty women. You know why? Because she is an intelligent, quick-witted, strong willed, fun-loving person. She isn’t threatened by other pretty women. The thing is, the wife and I are both scary liberal types that believe that everyone is equal. Wow, what a fucking concept? The coder girl is equal to the stay at home mom in our eyes. Looks have nothing to do with skill at what you do.
So here’s the thing folks, stop with the little offhand gender comments, no matter how innocuous you think they are. Because something that seems like a throwaway comment to you can hurt others. And if those people respond, then they are bitches, right? No, they are human, and they are having to fight against stupid stereotypes when proving technical prowess. Our community should be better than that, and I hope we move beyond this.
Devin Olson
August 10, 2009 @ 8:52 am
Admit it: Given the chance, you’d bed both of those little bastards! Hell knows I would.
On a serious note, you said something to me many years ago that bitch-slapped my very core. It was around 2001 or 2002. You, me, and another person (who I will not name) were standing outside the Swan, having just “closed down” Kimonos. We were discussing things that guys discuss at 3 am after a night of heavy drinking; and you commented on how ironic it was that some of the most Christian guys you know could also say the most offensive, x-rated things.
Convicted.
That one comment of yours changed me. It changed the way I speak, act, and think in a massive way. A lot of people talk the whole “What Would Jesus Do” thing to death and never let it change their lives.
I now do the “Would another view this as Christian behavior” thing -and hopefully more than just talk.
Yes, I still make off color jokes. I sometimes make offensive comments. But I try to control and temper them in such a way that the people around me recognize that I am using the off-color, offensive language to make an extremely important point.
(I just know I’m gonna catch shit for that first paragraph)
Frank
November 26, 2010 @ 8:50 am
good post